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eron who wrote a novel called the stellars in the summer of 1982 Jeff was
selected as a presidential management intern and was recruited by the US Air Force where he held a top secret
clearance he worked on special projects at several military installations across the country uh 1983 he was appointed to
an assignment in the Reagan white house after that he accepted a position in Pentagon for the US Department of
Defense he left government service in 1988 and went to work in the private sector Jeff has always been interest
interested in the subjects of euphology extraterrestrial space exploration time travel and the multi-dimensional
universe as it impacts The Human Experience and Consciousness the stellar is his first science fiction book that
is meant to Open the Eyes of people who have not delved too deeply into the idea of ETS and their interactions with
humans it's also for those who strongly believe this to be true and contemplate when this eventual big reveal will take
place and how it actually may happen Jeff resides in Florida the home of the Kennedy Space Center the combined number
of launches from Cape Kennedy and the Kennedy Space Center exceeds 4,000 since
1950 wow watched his first launch on February 20th 1962 with John Glenn aboard the
Friendship seven space spacecraft he's been looking up at the stars ever since
welcome Jeff it's great to have you welcome Jeff thank you very much trishan Rob appreciate it and that cover is
beautiful well you know who we could thank for that yes we do this Megan so
so your novel begins in Roswell uh in 1947 have you visited
Roswell no unfortunately not I have actually been to New Mexico several times but my wife and I do plan to go to
Roswell on our next visit uh we spend a lot of time out uh in the west because one of the things that's most exciting
for us is the night sky and uh you know for those of you who have been out there
it's so clear and beautiful I'll talk about Sedona in a few minutes but uh but the next trip we will make it to Roswell
for sure yeah our daughter went was there in I guess in May when she was on her way to uh Washington State and she
went to the know the UFO Museum there and she said it was very crowded there were a lot of people there it's very uh
very interesting it's exciting yeah so what triggered your interest in Aliens and uh why did you start the story there
sure so if I may I'll take a step back really even going back to what Trish mentioned um in terms of my first uh
watch of a launch which I was a very young child um John Glenn as you know in February
62 uh was the first uh astronaut to circle the Earth three times but one of
the reasons I I want to mention that is because it's fascinating that John Glenn may be the first astronut first human
being actually to may have actually not may have has seen uh particles that
floated around his friendship uh capsule that were unexplained they were luminescent and I remember him coming
back and saying that he did see this and that was probably the first case where
an astronaut had mentioned something that was unexplainable and to this day I haven't seen anyone who has explained
what John Glenn saw so that was my start at a very young age uh from there in the
60s as a child of the 60s uh and I'm sure you probably watched the same science fiction shows that I did Star
Trek was really my first uh science fiction show that I love Gene Roden is amazing and uh probably did not miss an
episode uh from there I went to Star Wars like a lot of us uh a lot of people
probably don't know but uh the book came out right before the movie in 1977 as a
way for George Lucas to really promote the film and uh I was probably the first
one in the theater uh that morning in 1977 sat in the first row and did not
leave the theater for eight hours and I watched that that my God a real a real fan a real fan but
um but I I'll take I'll take a few minutes here if I can just to give you an idea of a little bit more of who I am
um I I really would say that I'm what you would call a normie I I watch a lot
of your podcasts and I love them um and I'm someone who I can tell you that has
not been abducted uh before it would have been interesting if I could say that but I have
and I listen to a lot of your podcasts where there's really some really fascinating uh stories one of the things
that I would say is I really mve from being um a healthy skeptic to a Believer
uh of extraterrestrials uh in the last I would say 10 years and there were really three
events that that brought me to a great belief in terms of the reality of this
being true um my first visit to Sedona which I mentioned before uh took place a
number of years ago I actually went with Vivian my beautiful wife and we went there for a specific reason uh we wanted
to see uh UFOs or as they're referred to today uaps so I went in with some
skepticism we went out uh to the clear desert uh sky on a tour it so happened
that it was just Vivian and me and the tour guide uh we put on the night vision goggles which you had a guest a couple
weeks ago who uh related this exact same experience and then we started to see
objects in really about 60,000 ft and above so as soon as we started to see
them I looked at my wife I had to take the goggles off looked at her she looked at me and said are we really seeing what we're seeing and my immediate thought
was how is this being staged is there something in the goggles that are uh in fact Rob I think you mentioned that to
your best a couple of weeks ago and there was nothing quirky about the goggles in fact I I wore night vision
goggles in the in the past but these were really very sophisticated and updated now um and then we started to
see that they moved away from a linear trajectory at 60,000 plus feet and
actually started to go in formation almost like a triangle similar to what we saw in Phoenix several years ago so
it was unexplained to me uh we left we went back to our hotel we didn't sleep that whole night I kept thinking what
just happened but it really did confirm that that they're out there and as I mentioned too unfortunately living in
Florida or anywhere really in the East Coast or for that matter in any City it's very hard to look up to the night
sky and see the stars um and I think it's almost a religious experience for
people who have never seen them before and you look up because you see a lot there that some people may not have ever
witnessed in their life so that was that was the first time um second thing happened last year exact
uh a month ago last year during the Congressional hearings I'm sure we all watch that where where David grush uh
gave his testimony and and that was fascinating to me because um I had never
seen anybody in front of if I think it was uh both House and Senate but a
combination obviously of of Congress people and and Senators uh talking
firsthand about a multi-decade program to retrieve and reverse engineer uaps he
was very open about it I kept thinking they're going to pull the plug on this guy but he kept going and he talked even
about uh finding nonhuman biological matter it was an interesting term he
used so here he's in front of uh of of our representative speaking firsthand
about this I I literally got chills watching this I did not move away from from the television so I thought okay
now you have it out pretty much in the open and he's not being cut off by any anybody there in fact the questions uh
from the representatives I thought were great too if you have have a chance if you haven't seen it uh go back and take
a look at that uh I'm really holding my breath to see if another Congressional hearing like this takes place anytime
soon um and then lastly and we're all familiar with the what they call the Tic
Tacs uh they've identified uh by the Navy Pilots now uh for many years over a
decade uh working in the military could tell you that the pilots in particular
are very conservative if they mention anything about uaps uh there's a chance that they could even lose their position
as a pilot so what was surprising to me was that they were so open uh you've
seen a lot of the video and heard the audio and this also brought out the possibility more so that it's mainstream
now and I think now that it's mainstream people are more open to talk about this
in public and and I'll give you a quick example uh I talk with my family about this and friends and colleagues and I
share uh a lot of this information I would say if I talked about this a couple years ago people would have
called me just crazy and I'm sure the two of you and others have have been called that in the past if somebody
calls you that basically they're just not open to other ideas um and that's
really the reason I wrote the book because I want wanted to talk about uh
uaps and extraterrestrials in a way through a story that would seem very plausible um and I truly believe that
there's going to be a big reveal on all of this in the near future and part of it could be call it conspiracy theory or
whatever you want I think that the human race is being prepared for this type of
reveal because it's going to change everything that we know it's going to change people's belief in religion it's
going to CH people's belief in a whole host of things and I'm not sure at this point if the majority of the human race
is ready for it but ready or not it's coming yeah and I want it to be the
skillers drive they're great just real quick just real quick Jeff can can you tilt your can you tilt
your camera maybe just a little bit I think oh there you go yep you kind of keep yeah you just kind of kept when you
were making your points you were dipping out of Fram so actually I was being transported
yeah so Jeff Jeff in your work in uh government service which was extensive
did the topic of UFOs ever come up uh did you ever ask about it or yeah you
know and this keep in mind this is a long time ago this is back in 82 to 84
that time you know it it did not come up I would say in a general conversation
but I can tell you it did come up by individuals who have witnessed what I
would say incredible uh aircraft if you will that seemed well beyond the
technology at that time I remember when the first stealth aircraft came out a lot of the public didn't know or have
seen it and they were being tested over Area 51 which uh Groom Lake which we'll talk about a little bit later uh so I
think a lot of it was people were still in the shadows in terms of really being open about it but I will tell you even
back then people that discussed this we believed in this without any question
and I think now in 200 uh you know 24 we're at a time where this has become as
I mentioned Rob mainstream back then if you talked about it too much uh I think people would question your security
clearance and a whole host of other things yeah you you worked in the uh Reagan uh White House for a while um I
believe he had an interest in uh Alien uh contacts and he I remember that
famous quote he said that you know we would all this dissension in the world would disappear if if they showed up you
know and he was absolutely right I remember when he said that and I can tell you in
the stell's book um I have presidential quotes that date back to D the
Eisenhower only two presidents that there was not a direct quote on and some of them are very interesting and some of
them I have to tell you are very funny um but uh it's really only uh Trump and
Biden that I don't have a direct quote from I I did a lot of research to find on the two of them uh but neither of
them if there was something they didn't mention it in public okay Jeff tell us about the stellers sure sure so who are
they where do they come from sure so why do we love them and I think you you you asked about
you know Roswell and and we don't have to go too much into that but I think uh just quickly here uh I I think when
Roswell came about uh you know back in 1947 there were a lot of people at that time
who did not believe the government's explanation if you will of a weather balloon in fact as you know the initial
announcement that was made uh actually said they they found a flying disc so that's number one um then of course the
uh US Army and intelligence uh officers completely clamped down on that and said
no no it's a weather balloon uh which again to this day I don't think a lot of people believe um and uh that's where
the book starts so I'll tell you about the stellers um and and I know trishan rob you you've read the book so I start
with rose who is my favorite character and we follow Rose from 2029 so just so
you know the book doesn't take place until after this next presidential election and four years from now uh the
book has no politics involved but I can tell you there's references going back
prior to 2029 and it's Rose telling her her story
it's really all about her experience uh after the crash in
47 uh and really what happened to her from there so I'll tell you a little bit
about the Stellar Trish and and Rob because you asked that so first of all the the Stellar are a benevolent uh
civilization um and what I mean by that is they they have not come to Earth to
colonize us or destroy us or take our resources the reason that's important to
me is that every science fiction book that I've either read or watched on
every kind of Channel you could think of typically the a aliens are coming here to do something bad to us so I wanted to
take a little bit of a different uh spin on this and I wanted them to be benevolent in a way where they're not
coming here to do any of those things in fact they're coming here because they have no choice now they have visited
Earth in the past but they they kept uh arms length if you will and they built a
moon base on The Far Side of the Moon so they've been here for a long time but not directly uh interacting uh with with
Earth and and human beings the thing that's very important about the stellers too is they're one to two million years
more advanced than us um and and that's important because when you look at Interstellar space travel um and you
know of course how long it can take to travel trillions of Miles having a long
lifespan is absolutely critical so the stellers actually have an average age of
12200 years old uh which enables them to travel great distances because uh they
have that long lifespan if you will to to make those trips and then also invent
uh and create incredible things so how do they live to 1200 um by the age of
1,000 85% of their body parts have been replaced with replicas and I talk about
that a lot in the book which is fascinating because everything we're seeing nowadays is pointing in the direction of
a much longer lifespan for human being with medical technology uh so as I said
their long lifespan allows them to travel great distances uh they come from
a planet that's called zany z x an t h
um they're 10 light years away and their society unfortunately is going to be
destroyed and again I don't want to give too much away in the book but but uh the meteors that and asteroids Etc that are
going to uh hit zany in 2056 it's going to completely obliterate
their Planet so they have to look for other exoplanets habitable planets where they can move to uh Earth is really at
the top of the list for a lot of reasons and uh that's really where the story uh
takes place 47 in Roswell and on with rose not knowing yet that her planet is
going to be destroyed destroyed and then subsequently after she is if you will rescued from Area 51 by the president
now knows exactly what's gonna happen where she spent 70 years you might add yeah yeah I say that she she's a star of
of the story she spent 70 years at Area 51 um and it's really uh Jim Mitchum the
president of the United States in 2029 who makes the trip he's a former
astronaut and he meets up with with rose um and and he's a former astronaut who saw a UFO while he was saw UFO which by
the way several other astronauts have claimed also that they have seen uh UFOs so the story really takes off after
she's transported to Area 51 I should mention that after her crash in Roswell
uh in 47 1947 uh the doctors from the Army uh
base are the ones who saved her life uh because she had escaped uh really death
because of putting on a crash suit that enabled her to survive that crash uh and
then from there they moved to the area 51 and she helped them in the surgery
telepathically we talked about that correct one of unique features of of rose and the Stellas is they're
telepathic um they actually communicate amongst each other telepathically with
the humans um less so it depends on the individual and how much they want to uh
invite them in if you will to that type of communication um and I think that uh
it's fascinating to see as her character further evolves in the story how she's
becoming even more and more human um because uh being one to two million years more advanced you can only imagine
being a a highly intelligent individual being uh what and how she survived and
how she worked with humans during that time is also a part of the book
so okay um I I can give you an idea of of something too that I that I find pretty
interesting um I know one of the things that you had asked is you know how advanced are the Stellar compared to
humans you know so think about it it's very hard for us to think what life will
be like on Earth if we even survive what's going to happen potentially on this planet in the next one to two
million years but I often think of something that I talked about with my
grandmother uh a long time ago um because people that were born in this
country or or for that matter in the world anywhere let's say in the late 1800s they're actually the first people
that experienced uh technological Miracles and this was only if you go
back 100 plus years ago okay so the electric light bulb our
grandparents do the automobile remember if you've never driven before um the
codc camera the airplane the assembly line radio broadcasting television the trans and the computer all of that took
place from 1878 to 1950 so think about what they saw and now what we're seeing
and now multiply that times one mill million years so when when when when you
ask the question how advanced are they think about what we saw and they saw
over the last hundred years and what a million years would look like so I I do
that to give you an idea of it's very hard to really know what a million years
will look like but I can tell you I would be very surprised that if we survive all the things on this planet
that are going on in a million years uh we will be very advanced in a way that's
very difficult well almost Indescribable we may not survive the next decade at
this rate just real quick I mean that's that's something that I've I've I've
thought I guess most of my life is just you know 150 years ago we were sitting around in the
dark and uh and then you know and here we are and uh I I just feel like this is
you know you'd have to go back to discovering fire you know discovering fire
and and the invention of the wheel you know to to even come close to what's happened over the last you know Century
in a plus so I I think that uh you know uh a
million years and and advancing their technology and abilities
uh how that would look is that hey maybe they're the ones who seated this planet
with us you know could be I think all of those possibilities are there I I think
one of the unique things about um what I believe uh would be true at least my my
thoughts is that I think when you look at the evolution of beings um even the
stellars on zany a million years or so prior may have also been in similar
situations that we are so after after the splitting of the atom who's to say
that you know the majority of civilizations that are out in the Cosmos did not go beyond destroying themselves
so the reason I talk about a benevolent Society is they would be the only ones that would have survived the warlike
things that would have taken place on their planets or between other planets
so it's kind of logical to think that if beings are visiting us that are a
million years more advanced than us they don't need to come here to kill us they don't need to come here to do anything
that would seem uh detrimental they would be scientists they would be explorers um so that's why I I truly
believe when I when I look at who and when will visit us more likely than not
logically they will be benevolent uh uh aliens if you will that are coming here
for reason um and one of the things I need to mention because I may have skipped over this uh you know why are
they coming now besides their uh their Planet that's going to be destroyed they
also want to save Earth because I'm sure you probably have heard this before but
but right now there are nine countries in the world and you know who they are that actually have 13,000 13,000
operational nuclear weapons that are all pointed at each other just think about that for a second there's enough weapons
to destroy this planet over and over and over again that's complete Insanity so
the one thing that the Stellar also have to make sure of is that we don't destroy ourselves and they don't and we humans
don't launch nuclear weapons at the stellars because if that were to happen
then Earth will be uninhabitable for them to to be here so it's not only because their planet is is going to be
detroyed it's also that they want to come here and help us the humans you know get Beyond really the the horrific
activities that are underway right now in this planet and I'll throw one more thing at it you it's fast thing to me
you know you can't make this stuff up but Putin actually threatened Ukraine
with tactical nuclear weapons a few months ago I don't know about you but I
can't sleep when I hear that because if that were to happen that will set in
motion World War II which potentially could be the end of this world I I laugh
to myself sometimes how we go about our jobs and we live every day and do everything we can for our family and
friends and whatever else yet the possibility of World War II if
if you really look at it is not too far off and maybe it's going to take a
society a civilization like the stellars to help us move on to become a better
race and the Stellar are now becoming a buzzword but you know but you know if
you're if you're under if you're under what 30 maybe
35 or let me let me flip that around if you're over
35 40 at this point um you grew up you
grew up during the Cold War that's right with with and and and I think I think
maybe is or maybe just kind of numb to the idea because so much changed you
know from 1990 to you know there was like a decade or almost two decades where no thought of you know
uh th nuclear war worldwide nuclear war uh and I I think it's hard for folks uh
you know folks over 40 to really you know get their head just in general wrap
their head around because the you know because yeah we we got past that but
here we are again yeah yeah so uh kids kids in school now have drills for Mass
Shooters coming into their school but but we had drills for nuclear weapons hiding under our desks in the 1950s yeah
I was just thinking the same thing I went to PS 113 in Queens New York and I
recall Rob exactly that where we had the bomb shelter signs they were of course
to go to the basement and the teacher saying we're now going to prepare think
about this if if this was said today we're now going to prepare in case uh we
get bombed and we go under our desk and hold our heads back and even then I was thinking the
little I knew of nuclear weapons to my desk is
gonna go ahead go hold your hold your head and kiss your ass goodbye yeah
right yeah might might work for a tornado but not for a nuclear uh attack yeah hey even in Venezuela we went under
our desks because Cuba was closed that's right that's thousands thousands of
people also dug these bomb shelters in their backyards and I've often wondered where are those bomb Shel are they still
there well you know what it brings up another interesting point and it's part of the story where I talk about um the
wealthy Elite Class multi-billionaires that actually Rob have spent Zuckerberg
for example and others have spent hundreds of millions of dollars to build shelters in very remote places of New
Zealand and Hawaii for this very reason so there's still the belief today that we could survive
if you will if you have the right uh bomb shelter the right food the right
food but what people often forget which is interesting is and maybe they don't forget it because they just thinking
myopically I'm going to save myself and my family is that what is this world going to look like God forbid if
something like that happen so we you know preparing for it is also uh a degree of of somewhat insanity thinking
that you can live underground and then come out in a few days and everything's going to be fine well and and and you
know what's you know what's crazy I just I just remembered you know uh when uh
right after Russia invaded Ukraine I can remember speaking of New York I can
remember that I don't know if it was the Govern I guess well I don't know if it
was the governor or of New York State or the mayor of New York City actually had
a plan a plan published and reported on
local media you know on how to secure yourself in your apartment in case
nuclear attack you know that's three years ago this happened you know it's crazy yeah I wish they would spend more
time thinking about how to demilitarize uh the nuclear weapons I think make
sense yeah well to I have one question you have um Rose becomes close to a
golden retriever that the president owns Nomad so tell us about that relationship because later on the stellers help Nomad
sure sure so uh being a dog lover um Nomad is always at president Mitchum
side um and he's a wonderful loyal dog um he actually travels with President
Mitchum he seems to be around in almost every scene that uh takes place in the book goes to Area 51 he goes to area 5 W
on the Gulf Stream as you read um and and he seems to be a very perceptive uh
dog uh especially when it comes to meeting foreign dignitaries and
eventually meeting Rose for example funny enough while we're on the subject of uh just quickly here Russia when he
meets the Russian president for the first time uh he's snarling and growling at him because he believes that he's not
necessarily a good person however when he meets Rose at area 51 he immediately
warms up to her and they they establish a very what I would call Beautiful bond
between the two of them uh one of the AL one of the other things that Rose is capable of doing is through her uh
ability uh to read people's minds and communicate with them telepathically she
can also uh telepathically communicate uh with Nomad yeah here's a little
synchronicity here uh you me as soon when you mentioned dogs Nigel lifted his
head up and Nigel cannot hear uh you because Trish I are both wearing
headphones wow W yeah he's he's definitely telepathic he he lifted his head and
looked around then laid it back down that's amazing so yeah so no man I'll just tell you a quick funny story uh
about uh one of the first friends of mine that read the book uh he was um he
was traveling actually uh transatlantic on a ship uh from Fort laville in Miami
and he was going to be at sea for many days so I gave him a transcript of the book and his name is Lewis and I said if
you can just do me a favor this is back several months ago before it was released I said can you please read the
book and he's a great guy and he said to me Jeff I'm in all honesty I don't want to read I don't want to watch television
I don't want to do anything but enjoy this this Gru I said just do me a favor take the book and anyway he does that
and he reads it in two days I didn't know this yet because I'm not going to
see him in three weeks so he comes back and he calls me up and he goes I have to tell you something I go what he goes I
read the book I said incredible he goes I love it but I have to tell you who my
favorite character is I go who is it Rose is it Jim he goes noad he goes I love this dog and I hope
that whatever else you right in the future we learn more about Nomad now one of the things that Trish just asked and
I have to address it is that uh of course dogs live uh shorter lives than than we do uh but the Stellar have a way
um that they can prolong life uh however they're not going to share it with the humans because there's eight billion of
us and God forbid we we grow to 10 12 billion and we still haven't resolved all the issues
on this planet but uh but she does share it with with nomad and lo and behold it
adds several years from it adds several years excuse me to his life the gray in
his beard STS to fade and uh and he has some more time to live Nigel needs that
he needs for that gray to fade well I think that if if this was
available I'd rather it be for the pets actually in some cases than than def
until we're ready for it so nomad's a very special character in the book yeah
I was just just just just uh thought I would share that uh when um when najel
reacted uh buy the knucklehead over here just completely sacked out no no no
absolutely no uh nothing going on there no connection there with him so well you
know maybe he is uh he's thinking about well he maybe think he did not react
okay funny that's it so when you're uh you know uh have the perspective of the
aliens being benevolent and this is something that runs contrary to a lot of uh movies uh because you know you have
to have the conflict and if they're too friendly you know that's nice now let's find another story to read or watch uh
but uh actually you know the idea of the benevolence uh you
know if you think that you know they they
would have already destroyed us long ago they they're so Advanced and they came here and you know so it's not really an
issue except for maybe other uh civilizations that might have simply
found us recently but maybe there is some kind of uh allegiance of uh
civilizations that work together that maybe prevent that from happening and maybe subtly try to are trying to keep
us from blowing ourselves apart as well you know there's uh UFOs have been cited
over nuclear sites absolutely one famous uh story from uh a military base in
Montana where they were seen for a couple of days and you know it very uh
very tramatic yeah in fact and I'm really glad you brought that up Rob because that absolutely has been the
case um I I think I believe that there have been many instances where um
benevolent aliens have stopped us from some of these pre pre preemptive launches and accidents that that could
have occurred and you're absolutely right in Montana and other places uh that has been witnessed firsthand again
not out there too much in the public but I think all of us who understand ufology and other things have have read these
accounts um I do want to mention one other thing uh the Stellar could be badass okay I don't I don't want to make
it seem like uh that it's all fairy dust and and this and that but they're not as
badass as Putin well in a different way Putin play to the Stellar but I can tell you
that they have no choice any society even if they're a million two million years more advanced than us they're
going to protect their own people so I I did mention this earlier but zany has
100 million uh people 100 million stellars and and many of those individuals by the way on zanti have
come other planets zanti think of zanti almost as if the home planet for
societies of other planets in the galaxies that reside um on zany so
that's number one number two um they're going to save their people no matter what I can tell you that and and if that
means doing some things here they'll do it and again without wanting to give
maybe too much away there are a couple of players of the nine nuclear leaders
um if you know who the nine nuclear leaders are you will not be surprised the two that that actually go to Def gum
one to uh uh to stop what's happening because they think it's actually a
conspiracy put together by the seven others to uh rid the other two of their
nuclear weapons um once the stellers uh see and they know everything that's
going on they're like the eye in the sky if you will one of my favorite songs from Alan Parson's project the eye in
the sky um they see and know what's going on so at early on in the book two
of these leaders decide as I mentioned to position their nuclear weapons in a very dangerous way the Stell come on
Jeff tell us who they are you want me to yes in North Korea
and Pakistan okay by the way a couple people who have read the book said they didn't even know that this country or
that country had nuclear weapons so it's very interesting when you mention the nine uh that not everybody even knows
who some of them are they all know the United States of course and Russia and China but some of the others they don't
know so the North Korean president and the Pakistani president decide to get
together and do something about this because they truly believe that this is
not coming from Aliens but from the United States once the stellers uh see
what's happening uh they put both leaders in what I would call a stasis uh
an induced coma uh they don't kill them but they put them in a position where
they are no longer going to be active in threatening uh the others um I can tell
you when the other seven world leaders saw and understood what happened uh they backed down but uh so so the leaders of
these other countries are falling in line realizing over time that this is
happening it's inevitable and you can push back all you want but the Stellar are coming um what's interesting too a
subplot is that several of the world's billionaires uh get together and they're
actually part of a group called The Syndicate uh spelled with a k syndicat
um they have the most to lose and we haven't talked about this yet but think about it who would have the most to lose
on this planet if an alien civilization comes to Earth
even though they can produce and help us produce food to feed the world create
housing energy environmental uh pluses you name it they have the technology to
do it but if you're a multi-billionaire everything's about and again not all
billionaires are like this but there's a select group that that I point out called The Syndicate as I mentioned that
want to stop this from happening because they are going to lose their power um you know Vivian and I talk about all
different scenarios uh one which is pretty radical is what if human beings
for example didn't have to worry about food you think about why we work and and
and what we do and everything typically it's for food and for housing and for security but if those two or three or
four things are taken away then you can really focus on the greatest energy of
allall which is creating um and the stellers have been able to do that but The Syndicate on this planet are going
to be threatened tremendously because who needs them their money by the way is
not worth anything anymore if tomorrow the US dollar or for that matter anything else was not worth the paper
that it's on because you don't need it then who loses in that and it's the
people that control the wealth Etc so again not to go too much further into
that that's the subplot of the Rich and Powerful who want to stop the stellers
from coming at all costs and and and and maybe that's why Jeff Bezos will not allow thinner margins on the
paperback yeah his book from coming out whoever created that thing needs to go
look at what was it D to D which is much easier to do that's very funny so anyway
that's an important part of of of what takes place in the story because I keep going back to all of us what would
happen tomorrow if you knew and we all believe this on this podcast but if
everybody knew that extraterrestrials not only exist but they're coming here
they've been here and they're coming here to make our society better it will
change everything that we've ever known and everything that we will know well
especially because they're going to come here to settle that's right so that that's a whole other right so I think
those billionaires though would be riling up the uh average person you know
to uh saying this is the worst immigration ever you know alien Alien
aliens alien aliens there's not a wall big enough to stop the stellers from coming right I will tell you that but
it's um but it is important you know just to always I try to always ground myself back in the reality of today and
what would happen U because I think a lot of the things that um you know that are going on we sometimes just aloof to
it because it's overwhelming and and question is what would change everything
that we know in a better way and that's why I go back to what we talked about at the very beginning I think it's a
benevolent civilization coming here to do that and Trish I I just want to address something you mentioned you know
where would they live um it's an interesting idea there were science fiction shows written over the
many many years where aliens have lived in New York City and and elsewhere but
the issues that come up with that are very interesting too because you know
just think about Ro I think John you mentioned what would it be like if we were living with cavemen you know back
well to the Stellar we're like caveman so in the first few years um the Stellar
are going to have to reside in a part of the planet which I won't give away that is remote they welcome human beings
having interaction but most of Earth uh's population is not ready yet to live
amongst the stellars and the other way around and they recognize that and they're going to have to gradually uh uh
have more of that happen which is by the way similar to what happened onany when other societies are able to live with
them because not everybody is on the same time timeline um obviously we're very primitive in terms of our time
compared to the stellars but even um there were people I I mentioned the book from a planet called Andromeda that are
not quite as advanced as the stellars but they're more than capable of
understanding that there are other alien uh civilizations out there because well tell us yeah well I was going to say
tell us about their Arch enemies well real quick before we get into that
question can I ask so so and I have not read the book yet I'm waiting on my autograph copy you're
getting it yeah but uh but uh but do the Stellar have could potentially could is
it potentially the Stellar need to terraform uh the the planet before they
can live on the surface if you're talking about Earth the answer is no okay there it's a great question there
John but no Earth is more than suitable for them to live but they can terraform other planets but if you're going to
move a 100 million uh people means you better be doing your uh your work you're
looking for a very specific spot right all right sorry Trish Trish oh that's all right well it's it's a it's a great
good question it's a really really good question so every civilization has a
nemesis right and Rob gets right to your point and I think the reason a lot of us enjoy science fiction unfortunately or
fortunately is the action that takes place um and a lot of that action is battles and all the other things and
again I can tell you book one does have action in it uh but it's not the Star
Wars type where people are firing off you knower beams and all this other stuff and and it's a war however the
Stellar do have a uh a nemesis they're called the zorgons um the zorgons are not as
advanced as the stellars they are reptilian uh creatures uh they are
planet is is much more warlike and actually this is a an interesting
difference from what I described earlier if you're a Star Trek fan of course you know about the Klingons uh the
zorgons have been able to survive uh it's really survival fits amongst
themselves but they are a warlike planet however they have advanced technology and for many many hundreds if not
thousands of years uh they've wanted to uh to conquer the stellars and really
take their technology and use it for their own purposes uh they send out
probes from their Planet Etc and they finally realize that zanti is going to
be destroyed so again with without going too much into it book two which is in
the works right now is about the zoron finding out that the stellars have gone
to Earth and guess where they're headed next next but it's going to take a long time for them to get there so over the
next 20 30 40 years on Earth uh the humans and the stellars are getting
along very well uh they're exploring uh the solar system together through
obviously Stellar technology but the next book is going to be about how the stellars and the humans uh have to go up
against the zorgon so stay tuned on that one reptilians are formidable yes they
are and they're scary too so yeah really but but it I'm glad that was brought up
because you know I don't know in any book or any movie if you don't have that
type of uh of conflict uh if it will really keep the interest of that and by
the way I have to believe it myself where you know there are going to be you know on billions and billions of planets
there potentially could be more warlike U reaches also in the stellar I mean the
conflict comes among the humans correct yeah correct yeah I'm sorry John what uh
nope I lost I lost it so going yeah and and I do believe by the
way and Tru you know this uh from our discussions um when I originally wrote
the story you know I'm thinking it more of a as a movie if you will as a
manuscript for a movie that's a series uh and having to take a step back and
then put it in a book format would was a challenge because I am a visual person
I'm sure you probably are too that's my feeling and and I visualize things in my
own head and then I put them on paper but I'm it's almost like I'm watching a movie in my own head and go okay what
would this look like in writing and how it exciting and you know for all of us that that right it's a challenge
but uh it's taking that visualization and putting it into the written format that the reader and I'm old school and
again I think all of us are too I would much rather read a book uh before I ever watch a movie and it's very rare where
the movie is better than the book so uh but but there are some out there there are some I I've remembered my question
uh so so so so so yes because sounds like you're setting up the middle Act of
a Trilogy is it a Trilogy or or uh or do you have uh plans to go beyond free
books no it's it's a Trilogy and basically as all of us know it's it's
not easy it takes time uh I'm not thinking about book three right now I'm
largely focused on book two and and one of the things uh John that and again
Trish and Rob have written many many books I'm I'm sure it can relate to this is you have to stick to what you're
focused on right now because while I was writing book one I kept thinking about
book two and I kept stop that because if you do that you're not giving your due
to to the first story I already about what book three can be but I need to stay away from that sorry I I can I can
tell you that that is not an uncommon thought to people are writing their first book are often thinking about a
series that uh uh you know as somebody who does a lot of ghost writing for
other authors yeah they're always wanting to go tell me about their other books in the series say let's work on
the let's stick to the one we're working on right now yeah but some of them put the entire series into the first book
yeah so it becomes you know 9,000 pages long which also is a challenge because
as you as you mentioned you can't put too much in there's a lot more I want to talk about with the stellars and I have
to hold myself back because it'll just be information overload and okay I have
a question about Rose does Rose Ever Fall along with a human that's a
great um stay tuned in book two for that okay um I should mention too Rose is six
foot six uh we didn't describe the stellars um and the Stellas are are
quite tall they have bluish skin um and uh for Rose to fall in love with a human
that would have to be one special human yeah it sure would but both Rose to fall in love with with him or her and the
other way around too so it's it's an interesting question yeah so Jeff I
think readers hear about your book and I read maybe you know the back cover you
know just short description they might think uh logically wouldn't the Stellar
prefer to avoid all the chaos here and just go like to a planet like Mars and
just terraform it and you know avoid uh so how how do you uh deal with that it's
it's a great question and in in part of the book I do describe their exploration of other planets um just so happens that
because first of all uh the proximity of Earth to Zan is a lot closer uh both in
the Milky Way galaxy but it's a lot closer than other planets that they have
visited remember I mentioned before maybe I didn't mention exactly it's a 10-year Journey from
zany um and they have been trying to eliminate the um Asteroids for a long
time they've sent their battle Cruisers with their weapons and by the way as I mentioned they may be benevolent but
they also have their own formidable weaponry and every time they've gone to destroy the asteroids or or divert their
trajectory to hitting zanti it just has created billions and billions more smaller asteroids so what do they do
well they have visited other planets but the problem is that they're much further
away I don't want to say that the Stell is procrastinated but uh they're running out of time and yeah they could
terraform mors as you said but the other thing that to mention is that they are
very in some ways biologically there are differences but similar to us so they
don't need to do that they can function here on Earth so the time it would take
to terraform uh and also to transport a 100 million sellers with the number of
crafts that they have Earth just made the most sense I I will add this they
are transporting some of their uh their beings their people to they have very
large um space stations 10 of them spread uh around within a a good
distance of St of Zane for the stellis to relocate they can do that they also on the moon yeah and on the moon large
base on The Far Side of the Moon so of the 100 million you know whatever it's
going to be 70 80 90 million will will be here on Earth uh but it's because of
the time and and the distance so so people of a certain
political persuasion think that in in this country that when the percentage of
people born in another country reaches a certain point then the country
deteriorates badly you you apply this to the stellars
and with a hundred million people coming you know and it's it's not a question of
uh which country you're born in but which planet you were born in it's it's a whole mind-blowing it is Rob it's
exactly what you said it's the Ronald Reagan quote U besides the one that you mentioned um he did Ronald Reagan had
quite a few interesting quotes uh there was another one too where I don't know if you heard this story but he was traveling in Air Force One to California
and while they're traveling they see a UFO um again it's it's in the book uh
and he tells the pilot follow that UFO and they do they really do this is a
true story and then all of a sudden the UFO vertically shoots up and disappears
Ronald Reagan relayed that story so interesting you know that that these
types of events have occurred yet many of us H have not heard about them and
it's all available to find you could do your own research of course you all do but it's fascina and maybe that's why
Nancy Reagan became an astrologer or she had an astrologer well and she was very close to to Ronald Reagan it's probably
one of the closest uh uh relationships of a couple and um I wouldn't be surpris
Trish about that you know keep in mind that I'm sure Nancy probably knew a lot
of the things that that Ronald Reagan was thinking in and if she heard from him she may have even been on air force
one that took place why wouldn't that be something that she would pursue I and
also just wanted to throw out that if you got refugees coming from another planet that is way more interesting than
coming from another country so yeah right yeah and uh uh but you know my
thought is uh that I don't think the you know immigrants uh make our country less
but maybe when a percentage of lawyers in the country reaches a certain level
then there might be an issue I agree on that one we've all heard lawyers are deal
breakers not deal makers and the stellers don't need them the stellers
don't need lawyers not seeing everybody left and right that's true know but it
really does get back to you know contributions you know you could you could make the case you know obviously
our country was created literally by immigrants coming from all over the
world um and I think when a civilization
like the Stellar for example are are coming here to contribute that's what they're all
about I don't see why anybody would be threatened by that um oh it's it's
contribute are they contributing or controlling that's the whole issue you know it's a great it's a great point and
and the uh The Syndicate would agree with that which is they're coming here to control us whereas you know if you're
living let's say this part of the book where the Indian uh prime minister uh she's India by the way is one of the
other countries one of the nine in the world that has nuclear weapons um you know she's very very interested in
seeing immediately how the stellers could improve food production in India
to reduce right famine depends on the country you're
from but I think certain world leaders are going to be very open uh again getting back to the Stellar uh as
opposed to others who will feel more threaten but but I think I think this I think the
Syndicate the Sy Syndicate uh in in uh if if you drop
that into if if you draw that analogy to our current uh situation uh they are
more interesting in controlling than what the refugees can contribute so but
anyway absolutely everything is about power and control and money well and
that's it because he controls the money supply uh and you know you could even
give again not to go too far a field here and I don't know how you feel about this but uh if you understand and and
really participate in what's going on with Bitcoin uh just as an example uh Bitcoin is a tremendous threat uh to to
countries and the monetary Supply because we can print dollars all we want
and we do it all the time and that's what devalues the currency and really d
the inflation uh Bitcoin is a technology that is not controlled by any
central government and again not to go too far on this I bring it up because the
question always comes if a new technology is brought in in anything who
is it threatening and who is it helping and obviously you can hurt governments but
improve the people and sometimes are not in line and only when they're in line
where you're going to have an improvement in humanity across our planet and to kind of wrap it all the
way back around um that's where the discovery of fire the uh invention of
the wheel disrupted how how people lived at that
time and that's what we're seeing right now and that's what we've seen over the last 100 plus years is disruption of the
Norms so absolutely right but the Stellar will disrupt in a good way they're the disruptors we want
that's right they better get here thank you Jeff this has been a great conv great tell people really enjoyed it
where they can find your book your website the all that stuff sure so the website is being created as we speak
it's going to take a little while longer to do it but uh the website and I'm going to read this off to you because
it's very easy uh it's the Stellar book.com that's going to be the website
again in probably in the next 60 days however if anybody is watching uh and
wants to reach me directly um my email is the Stellar book atgmailcom The
Stellar book atgmailcom um and I will be uh happy to answer any questions uh
directly with anybody who is interested I'll also um let uh I'll put it out
there when the website absolutely there and I should mention too in the book I
list both the website uh and my email so thank you for asking that now and and
Jeff you must tell us first when they arrive when this whole
plan you will be the first to know Trish and to and John what I'd like to do all
come over to my house oh good look up into the sky and if you cover the book
and we'll all cheer that's what I was about to say I think I think everybody on this podcast has Their Eyes to the
Sky anyway so y I agree y well thanks Jeff this was just great it was fun you
I really by Vivan I know you're watching yes thank
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